The Ancient History of the Maori, His Mythology and Traditions. Nga-Puhi [Vol. XI]
The words uttered by each were challenges, one was outside the Pa, and the other inside.
That talk about words they uttered are true as the words about the lizard god found inside Kiwi's neck are true.
What chiefs were killed at Kohimarama and Tamama when the Pa's were taken? I do not know their names.
Were the N'Rongo one of Te Hemara's tribes engaged in taking these Pa's? Yes. Then have N'Rongo any claim to these lands! No. N'Whatua have no claim over these lands because they left them to Apihai Te-Kawau.
The Nga-ti-rongo one of the sub-tribes engaged in taking these Pa's at Orakei. The Nga-ti-rongo have not any claim to the Orakei lands! Nor have the Nga-ti-whatua any claim over these lands because they left them to Apihai Te-Kawau.
When tribes go to attack Pa's they do not go in heavy garments like topuni (dog skin) mats. Dog skin mats were used at night, not when they were fighting.
You say Waiohua fled to Waikato, what portion of them? Those related to Te Pepene.
The Waiohua who fled to Wai-kato were related to Te Pepene Te-tihi.
You say Waiohua take their name from Hua, had he any other name? Is he and Huakaiwaka the same person? I don't know Huakaiwaka.
There are seven generations from Hua the father of Huatau to myself.page (115)
Is it there they were living with N'Paoa at the time of the flight of Apihai ma from Mahurangi? I do not know about that.
Was Hakopa Te Paerimu a Uringutu who brought Apikai ma from Heads of Waitemata? I have heard it stated so in Court.
When you were living at Te Horo Wai-pa were Uringutu with you? Yes.
Did you ever hear of any tribe killing the original people of this country besides Taou and N'Whatua? I have not heard from other tribes what they did.
If Ngaiwi and _____ extended on the other side of Tamaki who exterminated them there? I don't know.
Did you never heard that Ngati Paoa, N'Maru, N'Whaungunga and N'Tamatera killed on account of the death of
Did you never heard of Kapetu? I have. Did you ever hear that he killed Ngaiwi and Waiohua? I have.
Kape-taua killed some of the Nga-puhi and Wai-o-hua.
Names of places on this?
Is it our Maori custom to give names to places on account of incidents taking place there such as murders and other matters.
Can you explain why Papatarutaru was given to land this side of Tamaki? No.
Are N'Tamatera a tribe belonging to this side of the Thames?
Who is Teruki you alluded to the other day? I did not allude to him.
Do you recollect living at Te Horo? Yes. Did you see C Marshall there? Yes.page (116)
Do you recollect his leaving there for Sydney? No.
Was he there immediately before the tribes returned to Mangere? I saw him there before the tribes returned to Manukau.
How long before? I don't know - it was not long before the tribes came away.
You say all the Waikato tribes came with you, did they formerly own land here? No. Why did they come? N'Teutu and N'Maho had claim to land on other side of Manukau.
What did the others come for? To bring us down. Had not Waikato tribes before that time made peace with Ngapuhi? Yes.
Pomare the Wai-kato fought - after that peace was made between Nga-puhi and Wai-kato. After that Tira-rau and Pou-awha's business - there had been a peace made but it had been broken. Puke-rangi was of the Para-whau - he was in this expedition - Pukerangi was killed by Tao-u.
We were afraid of Nga-ti-paoa and Para-whau that we required Wai-kato to protect us.
Did you make the cultivations at Horotiu and Rangitoto before Kahukoti's peacemaking? Yes.
How long was after you came to Manukau from Horotiu before this peace was made with Kahukoti? I think it must have been at least six years. We lived at Karangahape for six years - then we were a long time at Mangere before the page (117)armed with guns was this true? I did not see any guns if they had had guns with them there would have been fighting. The guns would have been fired off. Mr Clarke was the only one of the company who was energetic to speak and bill and tomahawk were returned to Mr Clarke at that time - one of our party was wounded with the hook. If he had been killed Mr Clarke would have been killed also.
At the time of Kahukoti's peacemaking at Otahuhu what cultivations had Te Taou on this side? Rangitoto and afterwards at Okahu.
Had they only recently begun to cultivate at Rangitoto at that time? Many years before. Where was the permanent residence of Apihai ma then? Mangere and Onehunga.
At the time Te Tao were living at Karangahape what other cultivations had Te Taou on the Manukau side? Mangere and Ihumotu - we had long cultivated there - and we had a herd of pigs at the island of Puketutu.
Why did Waikato tribes accompany Te Tao-u and Apihai to Manukau? Through a request by Apihai and Potatau.
Waikato accompanied Te Tao-u and Te-kawau to Manu-kau through a request by Kawau and Po-tatau.
Was that their principal reason?
Another reason was Po-tatau-Te Wherowhero's face had been smeared with blood. Our Pa at Te Horo - was stormed by Te Hurupu that is the meaning of Te Wherowhero's face being smeared with blood - page (118)that was to avenge the Whakatiwai murders. We had come down the Wai-kato river and were on the sea coast. I was in the Pa at Te-horo when it was stormed.
A portion of Te Tao-u and Nga-oho had left Wai-kato before the Pa was stormed. The first time we came with Po-tatau and the others and after we left the Pa was taken: messengers came down the Wai-kato river and I came with them along the coast. Then we all went back to avenge the affair at Te Horo - Wai-kato's were slain by Te Tao-u, Nga-ti-tipa, Nga-ti-te-ata and Nga-ti-tama-oho also joined in the fight.
Did Apihai ma go? Yes.
This fight was a Momoriiti.
Before your first coming under Potatau had not portions of the tribes been sent to prepare cultivations for the main body? No. Did you all come at one time? Yes. At the time of Capt Symond's first coming where were you living? At Mangere.
Were any of your people living at Orakei and Okahu? Long before that they had cultivated here but had returned to Mangere. When Capt Symonds had been here for a year he went to the Bay and stayed some time and returned he stayed here for a time and went back - he stayed there and returned in Capt Stewart's vessel. I cannot give any idea of the time that elapsed between Capt Symond's first visit and the arrival of the Governor. Howpage (119)
I should have known that he was from these ancestors. I should have had an opportunity of learning his ancestry from him.
Do you consider the subdivisions you spoke of real divisions? Yes. With ………. boundaries? Yes.
Where was the portion of land owned by the Wai-o-hua? I do not know the boundaries in the days of Wai-ohua, but I do those in the days of Tau-moari.
State generally where the people were placed:
Where the people placed:
Nga-ti-tama-oho at Pehiakura
Nga-ti-te-ata at Awhitu
Nga-ti-pari at Papa-kura
Aki-tai at Pakete
Nga-ti-whanaunga at Awhitu and Pehiakura
Te-aua - same as Aki-tai
Nga-ti-kahu-koka - same as Nga-ti-te-ata
Nga-oho Tao-u at Tamaki and on to Kaipara
Nga-ti-whatua came to Wai-ko-nui that they might be near to Te-tatua (Three Kings)
Is Poma Te Tioi a Whanaunga? No he is N'Maho - they are one.
Did you never heard that Hetaraka made an objection to the sale of Gov Grey's time and was not that the reason you did not receive payment for it? I did not hear.
The time you attempted to sell that land was at the time Hetaraka's letters were published? Yes - but I had urged my claim during Gov Grey's first administration. page (121)living at Waitere. I remember how old he was when he left - he was one elder. He was old enough to carry arms he had wrested and fought. I know the cause of his leaving, a squabble between Te Po and himself - about fern root - the result was that Hetaraka was attacked with the fern root powder -
Te Po and Taka-puna quarrelled about fern root - the result was that Taka-puna was attacked with the fern root powder by Po.
Turehurehu was there and Hetaraka this father left. I know Hetaraka was born at Waitere and all N'Whatua. Hetaraka's mother's name was Tahiki - she was N'Whatua - Te Matarahurahu was the hapu. I knew Parehurehu. He was N'Tai. I first went to Okahu when we came back from Waikato (this was not clear) before Ikaranginui. It had been my permanent residence long before and at Onehunga - N'paoa was at Mauinaina and Mokoia before they had fallen. I was cultivating at Mangere, Onehunga, Orakei on this side at the time. N'Paoa were at Mauinaina and Mokoia. N'Paoa did not cultivate at Orakei at that time. I remember the return of the tribes from Waikato I came back with Apihai ma. The first place we went to live at in Manukau was Karangahape and we built a Pa there. The next place was Mangere we built a Pa there the name of it was Whakarongo our cultivations were then at Orakei, Horotiu and Okahu. I cultivated at these places myself. After I left Mangere I came to Orakei and Okahu to live. I found no people there this was before the Europeans came. A long time before we cultivatedpage (122)
At 2.15 the Court resumed
The Nga-iwi were the original inhabitants of this country of Tamaki.
Waha-akiaki belonged to Te-Tao-u. He killed Kiwi. Tupe-riri belonged to Te Taou. Wahahakihaki was a relation of Tupe-riri through Ranga-haua, a woman. Rangahaua was wife of Tamapakihi, their son was Waha-akiaki and Te-kara-kihi was younger sister of Rongo-haua. Te Mimiha was mother of Rongohaua, she was wife of - Te-ra-pakihi was a daughter of Mimiha-nui. She was wife of Huka-tere, they had one son Tuperiri. Tuapakihi and Tukararai were distinct persons. Hukatere had only one wife called Tukararai.
Matua-hoa was the husband of Te Mihinga, they had Rangahaua who took Tama-pakihi and they had Wahaakihaki.
Mahinga and Matuahoa had other children. Te-ra-pakihi who took Hakatere, their child was Tuperiri.
Tukararai was wife of Huka-tere page (123)was her husband.
You have just said Tuapakihi was husband of Hukatere? I have made a mistake.
Tua-pakihi was wife of Para-hua and Hukatere was their son, he took Toka-rauhia of Nga-iwi, their son was Tuperiri.
Tukararai was of Ngaiwi. I have heard of the murder at Waitohora and also of the murders of Mimiha-nui by Kiwi and Rangi-kaketu.
Who were the people who committed the murders at these places? Kiwi and Rangikaketu.
To what people did they belong? I don't know. I have heard.
They were of Ngaiwi who were murdered at Waitahora and of Te Taou at Mimiha-nui and also of Nga-ti-hine-rangi of the Nga-ti-whatua.
Any other people? Te Taou and Hotene's people Te N'Hinerangi, N'Whatua is the principal name.
Nga-ti-whatua took revenge for the massacre at Mimihanui at Kai-para then they came in their canoes and attacked the Pa's at Kohi-marama and Taurarua. These were both taken by one war party.
The people who lived in these Pa's were Nga-iwi and Wai-o-hua.
These Pa's taken by assault by the chiefs of Nga-ti-whatua. Takana, Te Pahi, Para-whenua, these are the chiefs who led the attacking party.
The chiefs of the Pa's were at Kohimarama, Kopiki at Taurarua page (124)Hu-pipi and Hu-mataitai. Those are the names. The last two were twin brothers. Thus was revenged the death of Huru and Kaura who were killed in Kai-para. Horo-tu was the mother Te Huru and Kaura, they were Nga-ti-whatua and Tao-u.
The people in the Pa of Kohimarama were all killed - the people of Taurarua shared the same fate.
The war party returned to Kai-para.
Another war party came afterwards led by Waha-akiaki and Muru-paenga and Wai-taheke, who went by Titiranga down to Paru-roa. They made a moki and paddled away in the night down the bends of Manukau and stormed the Tara-taura Pa west side of Awhitu and took it then came back and assault Puke-hua-katoa Pa on east side of Awhitu, but did not take it - they returned to north side of Manu-kau and the people of these Pa's saw that Nga-ti-whatua were only a small party from the footmarks they had made and a messenger was sent to Maungakiekie (One Tree Hill) by the Ngaiwi and to Maunga-whau (Mount Eden) telling the news of this war party, the people under Kiwi came and landed at Paru-roa and remained there some time. In the morning the Ngaiwi's came and Ngati Whatua seeing that they were a large party retreated and were pursued by Ngaiwi. There were 140 of Te Taou and N'Whatua they waited near the page (125)summit of the hill for the enemy. The parties then came near together. There were 2,000 who attacked the 140 of Nga-ti-whatua, Wahakihaki asked his nephew by what mark he would know Kiwi who said "You are sure to know Kiwi by his plume."
They fought for some time before Kiwi's party came up and then the first attacking parties fled - Kiwi brought them up again. Kiwi led the attack and was caught by Wahakihaki - Kiwi fell and threw Wahaakihaki down and got on top of him - Wahaakihaki being underneath said - "What shall I do?" He recollected he had a stone weapon named after an ancestor, he made a blow upwards and hit Kiwi and then got up and killed him. Ngaiwi fled to their canoes and attempted to paddle away which were dragged back by the Nga-ti-whatua who killed the Nga-iwi's in them. There was a great slaughter and the Nga-iwi were destroyed.
Wahakihaki came back to Kai-para and Tuperiri led a war party and went and avenged the death of his sister who was murdered at Mimiha-nui. This is the time they put Kiwi's body on the tree at Maunga-nui.
Tupiri went to avenge the death of Tahitahi by attacking the Pa at Mangere.
That was the last Pa occupied by the Wai-o-hua and Tuperiri took the Pa at Mangere.
After taking the Mangere Pa Tupe-riri went with his people and settled in the Maungakiekie Pa (One Tree Hill).
The remnant of Wai-o-hua fled to other parts to the other side of Papa-kura, Tamaki and Papahuia.
Who were the people living at Orakei and Okahu when Mokoia and were standing? N'Paoa were at Mokoia and _____. Taou, Ngaoho and Uringutu at Okahu and Orakei.
Did you come back with Apihai ma from Waikato? Yes. Which was the first place you went to on your return? Karangahape - our cultivations were there. We built a Pa there.
Where did you go to from there? Mangere. Had you a Pa at Mangere? Yes. Where were your cultivations when you were living there? There and Onehunga. Anywhere else? The whole place was covered with our cultivations.
After we had been at Mangere two years we came over to cultivate at Horotiu, Waiariki, Rangitoto, Orakei and Okahu.
Did you cultivate over here before the Europeans came? Yes.
Do you remember the building of the Pa page (127)at Orakei before these wars! Kaihau cultivated, he put in potatoes which he left for our benefit.
Did Kaihau cultivate for N'Whatua when he was there? He cultivated one season and left the potatoes for Mata - he had a kainga with his daughter, Apihai, and his other relatives.
Who built the houses that Kaihau and his slaves lived in? They had been built before he came - his daughter's houses.
During all these visits did Kaihau never cultivate for two seasons together? No.
Who was Rangirara? Don't know.
Who was Rangiunu? Don't know.
Who was Whe? Don't know.
Kaihau's wife? Don't know.
Who was Tuaho? Kaihau's mother.
Of what people? I don't know.
Mr Mackey: Were the murders at Waihohou and Mimihanui committed by Ngaiwi? Yes.
Tuaho was the name of the mother of Kaihau.
Were any other people engaged in them?
The Nga-iwi and the people who belonged to this land. Original owners joined in the murders at Wai-tahora and Mimiha-nui, in consequence of these murders Te Taou came to conquer this land at Tamaki.
Rangikaketu was concerned in these murders when the food was taken out of the Pa at Maungakiekie. Rangikaketu said "You had better let it remain." He gave a friendly caution. This is the reason why the lands to the north of Taka-puna were left to Te-hehewa till the time of the Pakeha (Europeans came). Notwithstanding these warnings Rangikaketu was concerned in these murders with all his people.