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Salient. Official Newspaper of the Victoria University Students' Association. Vol 41 No. 26. October 2 1978

Letters

page 25

Letters

Drawing of a man in an envelope

If Only it were True

Dear Sir,

It's not surprising that few people at the Marxist-Leninist forum on the Labour Party supported Labour. If the Marxists didn't know it, then I can tell them that only a tiny proportion of Labour's electoral base, in universities or anywhere else, is Marxist-oriented; so I'm not surprised that few students were attracted to the forum to defend the Opposition. The story put about by Values and Marxist supporters is that Labour is no different to National, and hence should not be considered an alternative.

I don't know how Labour rates by Marxist standards, but I do know that most students are going to vote for the major party they consider best able to manage the present mixed capitalist system. It is according to this standard that most informed people must be forced to conclude that Labour is markedly superior to National. There are many reasons why I will vote Labour. National's tax scheme will force students to pay significantly higher taxes on their vacation earnings: — under Labour we'd pay less tax or no tax. Labour has promised to bring bursaries back to the 1975 level in real terms — a policy so specific that they won't be able to back down from it in government.

Labour stopped the raising of Lake Manapouri. Labour had a Clutha scheme much less environmentally bad than National's. Labour abolished compulsory military training. Labour had a moral foreign policy which meant New Zealand pressurised France to stop atmospheric nuclear tests on Muroroa Atoll, took a new independent and influential role in international affairs, and took a politically unpopular stand against South Africa. Long needed reforms in local government, health, and transport were started or prepared. A highly successful reform of arts administration was brought in. They brought in the second TV channel. Major improvements in early education and regional development were implemented.

By world standards NZ had very low domestic inflation and unemployment: under National there has been much higher unemployment and domestic inflation. The proven or alleged offences against civil liberties under Labour were minimal compared to what National has done. Private enterprise certainly did a lot better under Labour. And personnel? Well obviously Labour has lost a lot of its best talent, and probably could form only half a competent Cabinet out of their present crowd in parliament. But if they did get in, a lot of pretty bright and able people would be in parliament; and anyway, you couldn't get a crowd much worse than the bulk of Rob's Cabinet. Leadership? Rowling may seem weak, but I don't think he is really. He also has a fairly high academic qualification in Economics — and in this respect is better qualified than any other Prime Minister in NZ's history. I think he would overall be better than Muldoon — vastly better. Dr Rob (as they call him) is intelligent, but overrated economically, and a great danger to the future of democracy.

I disagree with Labour Club Chairman Phil Lewin, who curiously thinks his party are a load of old fogies. Only 5 in every 100 voters need to move From National to Labour to change the government, and no one who really looks at the record can say that such a change is not to be highly recommended.

— Anon.

(I presume that you are refering to Salient's report of the Labour Party forum two weeks ago. I think you make it very clear in your letter that there are no significant differences between the two major parties, albeit unwittingly. Continue the good work — Ed).

Limits on Creche Availability

Dear Simon,

In a recent issue of Salient you reported that the Creche Supervisor in her annual report claimed that there was no student demand for a day-care centre.

The Victoria University Creche provides a very high standard of child care. However most students would not be aware that the creche provides a service Only for Students that are Doing 12 Credits or Less. What about students who do more than a 12 credit course? The University creche does not cater for them. They must either drop some credits (and take 9 years to get a degree!) or they must find alternative childcare (not an easy matter).

The principle behind University's providing childcare services is that people should not be discriminated against because they have children. Obviously student parents at Victoria do not have the same education opportunities as non-parents.

At the begining of the year, as Woman Vice President I organised a meeting on the Creche. One woman at the meeting told us how as an Architecture student she had block lectures for three hours of the day. At the beginning of the year when she approached the creche she was told there was no way her child could be catered for. How many other students are in this position? We don't know. It is likely however that there are quite a few. A survey of creche parents in 1974 found that approximately 60% of creche users were forced to find other sources of childcare to the creche to enable tham to do their university work. The Creche Supervisor is probably not aware of the demand because students realise that it is useless to ask for more than two hours childcare a day. This does not mean there is no demand!

Yours Sincerely,

Leonie Morris.

A Challenge to all Thugs

Dear Simon,

In the September 25 edition of Salient on page 15 there appeared an article concerning a student who was disciplined for attacking another gentleman (apparently of the Vic Karate Club) who was acting in the capacity of bouncer for the Capping Dance.

I would like to rectify some points in this article in order to set the record straight. Firstly, the Victoria Karate Club was not approached by the executive in this instance for assistance at the Capping Dance. I understand from a member of the executive that the gentlemen who were appointed were in fact just a hodgepodge of various city clubs, with little, if any, association with the University. (The gentleman who was injured has no allegiance to the Vic Karate Club and it is doubtful that he has even trained on campus with any of the martial arts clubs.)

It is regrettable that the executive did Not approach the Vic Karate Club, as in the past when the club has worked in a security capacity for any function, no trouble has arisen. Also, it has been the club's policy to appoint only those members to perform such security functions, as are truly capable, thus avoiding such unpleasantness as occurred after the Capping Dance.

Further, the club has recently taken up the policy that violence breeds violence, and to have it be known that karate exponents are attending functions solely to 'keep the peace' May lead to violent incidents, such as the one that has occurred. (It is therefore a necessity to have people who are aware of this and are fully able to protect themselves.) In the past, Vic Karate Club has used diplomacy whereever possible in security work, always to good advantage. (Brute force alone does not the bouncer make.)

It is unfortunate that in a tertiary institution such as Victoria there could be such an appalling lack of intelligence as to assume that it is 'fun' to 'beat up a karate man', or to assume that two or three onto one is a fair fight because the 'one' does karate. I would therefore like to extend an invitation to the student(s) involved in attacking the karate exponent to attend any of the Vic Karate (Jul. training sessions. Since you obviously set store by your ability to punch and kick a downed man, feel free to come along and show us. Don't be shy, introduce yourself at the door so that everyone knows who you are. I am sure that you will be given quite a welcome. Perhaps, however, facing One standing, able karate student is more daunting than having a friend to help you kick and punch a downed man. At any rate, the invitation is open to you, feel free to come along.

Yours,

R J Luse

(Sec.) Victoria University Karate Club.

(The doorman in question is a member of the Rembuden Martial Arts Club and not, as I said in the article, of the Karate Club. He was not there in any official capacity associated with the club, but had been asked to do the job on an individual basis. I apologise for the mistakes in the article and any inconvenience they may have caused — Ed).

Society's to Blame

Sir,

I write this letter in disgust. I am but a simple student (sic-ed) who rides to University every day on a ten speed two-wheel pedal bike. I did, that is. And now? I walk, because some kind considerate person stole my bike whilst I worked in the Library.

It depresses me that my fellow students are such nasty, vicious people as to steal my only means of transport. I would be appreciative if the above person could put it back where he found, it, as it means life becomes rather more difficult without it, and I don't think I can afford another just now.

Beware all Cyclists, we have thieves in our midst. So be careful.

Your in anticipation,

J. Hebenton

Imperialism and Trotskyism

Dear Simon,

The report on the "Detente" forum written by Simon Wilson has created a new low in Salient journalism. Like the previous Progressive Student Alliance forum where various leftwing groups spoke, this report was written by a partisan of one of the viewpoints expressed. Moreover it involved the distortion of the other speakers' viewpoints. "Bias" in journalism, ie. the expression of one's own viewpoint is of course acceptable, but it is incumbent on the reporter of a debate, in particular if they side with one view, to report the views of the other side accurately and honestly. Simon Wilson's report of my views at the forum was totally inaccurate and dishonest.

In 9 paragraphs dealing with my views there is not One accurate presentation of what I said. There are no less than 12 deliberate distortions or lies. Unfortunately space will not allow me to deal with them all but I would like to take a few examples.

Wilson writes: "The main reason that war will not come, said Treen, was that there will be revolutions in second world countries (like France, Germany, i.e. Secondary imperialist powers) to avert it." Then further on he contradicts himself and writes that I said "that war was on the cards, but that it was likely to come from one of the imperialist countries (France, USA, Belgium even) invading the workers' states. Is it possible that Belgium is thinking of invading the USSR? Sounds ridiculous.... And if Belgium was attacked by the Soviet Union? Treen advises them to build air raid shelters."

Firstly I never said that war will not come. But unlike David Murray who also spoke at the forum, I do not believe world war to be Inevitable, that it cannot be prevented. I explained that the only way to prevent war is by working people disarming the imperialists through a socialist revolution. If you believe that war is Inevitable then the wisest thing would be to build atomic raid shelters instead of supporting the arms race of one side as David Murray and China recommend.

China's position, which David Murray supports, is to promote the building up of the arms race in the West. They support NATO, France's nuclear arms programme, they oppose the "shelving" of the Neutron Bomb. This essentially means that you give up the struggle for socialism because you are in fact supporting the strengthening of the military establishment in the capitalist state.

I explained that the threat of war came from Imperialism as a system, that there are no "good" and "bad" imperialists. I explained the marxist view of imperialism and its war drive, which is that developed capitalist countries are driven to launch wars because of a compulsion in their economies to expand, find and guarantee markets and investment outlets. The bureaucratic dictatorships in the USSR, China and Eastern Europe don't have this compulsion in their economies. That is why I believe the war danger comes from the imperialist powers who seek to open up the "closed" markets in the USSR and China or to prevent the closing off of markets and fields for investment in colonial countries through socialist overturns.

Of course its absurd to suggest that Belgium will invade the USSR but the imperialist alliance NATO, is preparing for just that as well as opposing the colonial revolution. But even little Belgium has invaded its former colony Zaire (formerly the Belgium Congo) to protect its investments from a popular insurrection.

The second point I would like to deal with is the distortion contained in the following paragraph of Wilson's article when he wrote that I "accused China of betraying the revolution in the third world countries by pointing out that the Chinese leadership had diplomatic relations with some very reactionary regimes. This he said, was not a revolutionary foreign policy, ignoring the fact that at the same time as China recognised the governments it gave aid to the liberation movements in those same countries."

In fact I said that China has the right to establish diplomatic relations with any country. But that should not involve giving political support to those regimes or abandoning support for liberation movements which is what China is doing. For instance, as I explained at the forum, until recently China gave aid to guerrilla movements in Zaire against the corrupt dictatorship. Now China has a high ranking military delegation in Zaire training the Zairean army in counter-insurgency.

Chinese aid to the Eritrean rebels in Ethiopia ceased after the Ethiopian Emporer Haile Selassie visited China in 1971 only to be resumed after this feudal monarch was overthrown in a military coup and the new regime turned to the Soviet Union for aid. Aid has also ceased for the Front for the Liberation of Occupied Oman in deference to the Shah of Iran who has troops fighting them. The list can go on and on.

In fact as general policy China supports any anti-soviet government. They also support the strengthening of economic, political, and military ties between third world countries and the second world which includes all the major imperialist powers except the USA, ie. Germany Britain, Japan. That is, they in effect support imperialism's continued domination of the third world. This policy leads them to supporting French, US and Belgium intervention in Zaire.

These points I have made were all explained at the forum in some detail and go to show how far from reality Wilson's report was. I can only conclude that Wilson's dishonest reporting was an admission that he could not counter my real viewpoint which only confirms for me the weakness in both his and Murray's arguments.

Mike Treen

(You may complain, Mr Treen, that I have not reported you fairly, but to be quite honest I found it exceedingly difficult to discover a consistent logic in your argument. I'm afraid to say your letter doesn't help much. You agree that world war is possible, but suggest that the only way it can be averted is by socialist revolutions in the European second world countries. The important question is, which will come first, revolution or imperialist war? Looking at objective reality there can only be one answer......war.

I do not, as your fellow Young Socialist, Patrick Mulrennan, simply put it, fall back on the wishful thought that revolution "just has to come". It is this singular ability to confuse desires with reality which underlies your attitude to the question of a third world war.

Your understanding of the marxist ...alysis of how imperialist war develops suffers from this same attitude. It is true that developed imperialist countries "are driven to launch wars because of a compulsion in their economies to expand.....", but you overlook the fact that rapidly developing imperialist countries have a similar compulsion. These countries are at a disadvantage in that the world has already been divided amongst the other imperialists, and therefore they must be all the more aggressive in their search for spheres of influence.

The last world war made this quite clear in the case of Germany. The Soviet Union today is in a similar position. In my view, if we were not to recognise the clear signs of global expansion and the threat of war they bring, we would be taking up a policy very like that of Chamberlain and others in the 1930s.

Right up until 1939 Chamberlain was able to convince himself that Germany's actions in Europe were not a threat to peace. When war came, the anti-fascist United Front was that much the less prepared. Bearing this historical example in mind, it would be absurd to claim that the Warsaw Pact troops and weaponry lined up on the NATO border are there for defense purposes.

As to your other main point, I am not, as you would be so happy to make me do, about to become an apologist for Chinese foreign policy. But I do suggest that your method of analysing the circumstances of China's foreign relations leaves a lot to be desired. On the question of Iran, for example, you and other Young Socialists have argued that the anti-Shah forces should be supported because they are anti-Shah. The fact that should they win an even more reactionary regime would be imposed on the country is neither here nor there. It is ways necessary to analyse the nature of political events, and not proceed from abstract notions about what should be. The situation in Zaire could do with a little more such analysis. The invasion of that country by the Cuban and Soviet-backed FNLC (mercenaries who have fought for the Belgians and the Portugese, among others) was anything but a "popular insurrection".

It is your opposition to the theory of the three worlds which underlies most of your argument. The thing you seem not to grasp is that this theory is a strategic method for countering the main threat in the world to the development of socialism. It does not subvert the class struggle, but places it in a context where it can be most profitably fought. For make no mistake about it, Soviet domination of the world would do more harm to the international proletariat than any other event in the history of capitalism —Ed.)