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Salient: An Organ of Student Opinion at Victoria College, Wellington, N.Z. Vol. 12, No. 7, July 13th, 1949.

Peace, Pies, Polls—AGM Agenda

Peace, Pies, Polls—AGM Agenda

The Annual General Meeting, 1949, had plenty of importance to discuss. There was mention of WFDY in the annual report; there was mention of the extension of the term of VUC's representative on the College Council; there was a report from our representatives at the World Peace Congress in Paris; odd constitutional amendments on the election system and the system of co-opting to the Executive. All in all, the sort of thing which in the glorious days of Dowrick and Hartley would have led to a most interesting affair.

Instead, apart from a few moments, the atmosphere was like a Parish gathering. Admittedly the night was cold and the upper Gym was not warm; and, of course, there were only 100 present to liven the thing up.

The only really interesting note was new president K. B. O'Brien's announcement of the dead-heat for secretary between Bill Hume and Jim Milburn—a quandary solved by Hume's election on the toss of a coin. Interest in the more important things was sporadic except when "that man Henderson" called for a post-mortem of the Special General meeting on WFDY.

The AGM got off promptly, only 15 minutes late. Before we knew where we were, the initial business was walloped through, and the report and statement of accounts was under fire; Mr. O'Brien started it by warning that the Exec, would take any matter adopted in the report as a recommendation. So there was a frantic scurrying through to find anything to disagree with.

Naturally, the first was a question on the perennial medical scheme-sub judice, said Mr. O'Brien. Mr. Pottinger was informed why the rep. to NZUSA did not support the suggestion for a chair of theology; Mr. M. O'Brien had what he took to be discrepancies in the accounts explained to him; but there was no great heat, or urgency about the matters.

It almost looked as though the motion "That this meeting affirms the practice of bringing all important matters of policy affecting the whole association before special general meetings" was going to rouse interest. But when it was pointed out that there was already sufficient recourse under the constitution to call these without a definite motion to it, this motion, too, lapsed and was lost.

College Council

Mr. Melling drew attention to a section in the report in which the Exec, recommended to the meeting the desirability of increasing the term of the representative on the College Council in certain circumstances. He did not agree; the person appointed was usually a senior student who, by the end of his term of office, was not in touch with the life and activities of the Association. To extend the term further would be to make this position worse. So he moved that the sentence making reference to this be deleted. However, the, chairman pointed opined that this would not have the effect of negating the suggestion, so it was changed to an amendment. Mr. Jenkins supported this point of view. The value of the representative on the Council was that he could put the students' ideas clearly. If he were a person who had been out of touch with the Association for some time, this value would be lost. In answer to Mr. A. Wilson's question, Mr. Evison and Mr. Battersby explained that the Exec's reason for recommending it was that the present representative thought they were just beginning to get into their stride by the end of their first term, and only just learning how to be of use. Moreover, others thought that the present College Council had such a low opinion of students ("Speak for yourself, Mr. Battersby," said Mr. Evison). that one removed from them by a year or two would get on better. Mr. Evison pointed out that it was only a recommendation, and that there was at present no bar ("Wot, no bar," asked Mr. Curtin), no prohibition, went on Mr. Evison, to appointing the representative for any period at alt It was, however, desired to regularise the procedure.

On a show of hands—51 to 49—the amendment was carried and the suggestion from the Exec. was passed out quickly.

Peace Congress

Mr. Evison moved the adoption of the VUC representatives' report on the World Peace Congress. We had appointed two delegates, Messrs. Hollyman and Scoones, who were both in Paris at the time, to attend the Congress and to report on it. This report had now come to hand. Very full information had been given; this association was the only organisation in NZ represented at the Congress. Previous reports in the papers had tried to belittle the whole affair, but he asked to have the report taken seriously. After Mr. Jenkins had seconded it, Mr. Henderson objected to adopting the report then and there on the grounds that it was too much to consider at once, and that people should have a chance to look over it. He had not had any information on the Congress, and wished to study the report. Mr. Jenkins retorted that the Congress had already been given full write-ups in "Salient," and felt that Mr. Henderson should have read these. However, Mr. Ashton Cook had Mr. Curtin to lean on, in his amendment that the report should merely be received.

"This is only dilly dallying," said Mr. Evison. The report had been noted in "Salient"; it had been mentioned in the minutes of Exec. meetings. He realised that people should have time to consider it, but he opposed violently anything which might lead to it being shelved.

An amendmant moved by Mr. G. Goddard and seconded by Mr. Melling to have the matter brought up within a month at a Special General Meeting was discussed ("Calendar or Lunar?" asked someone) and passed.

Manifesto

Mr. V. Henderson is a slow reader. Or anyway, he objected again to the discussion of the Manifesto as he had to the Congress report. This one was a little shorter, and Mr. Evison met the objection by rending it out (see inset on this page) to the meeting. The Executive had already endorsed the Manifesto, and he thought that we as students had a duty to lead the community in such matters. No-one except Mr. Battersby and his seconder seemed to object very much to the mention of opposing war with the Soviet Union—for as it was pointed out, without that specific mention at this time, the Manifesto lost most of its point; became wishywashy, someone said. This was our chance to "make a stand on the matter." To oppose war generally was a good idea, thought one speaker, but in the present" strained world relations, what was needed was an opposition to the most likely point of conflict. Mr. Cook did feel that it would "gum up" relations rather than clear them, but Mr. Pottinger reminded him that "Whatever one's ideas on the Soviet Union are" it was an ostrich-like attitude to ignore the fact that there was the danger of conflict: this should be opposed specifically. Mr. Battersby's amendment was lost 38 to 72 on a division.

Manifesto for Peace

The following Manifesto for Peace was endorsed by the Executive of the VUC Students' Association at its meeting on Monday, June 27, 1949, and was sponsored by the Executive for adoption at the Annual General Meeting of the Association.

We, students of Victoria University College, Wellington,

Conscious of the danger of a new world war which threatens the people of New Zealand and of the whole world,

Consider it to be our duty as scholars and as citizens to express our entire opposition to such a war, and our determination to work for a lasting peace.

We Recall the dark days of the recent war, which brought death, starvation, and untold misery to millions of people. We recall that in those days it became abundantly clear that in warfare it is the people who suffer. We recall also, that in those days, there was a great longing for peace, and a desire that when peace came It should be guarded closely and held fast forever.

We are Opposed to talk of war with the Soviet Union. The Soviet people, who fought together with us in the recent war against facism and who suffered persecution, devastation, and death far more terrible, than we ever faced, are worthy of our friendship, whatever political or economic system they choose to live under.

We Believe that without this, there can be no hope of peace.

The Peoples of Europe, of America, of the Soviet Union, or Asia and at the whole world, have no desire for war. We believe that they wish for peace to live their lives without the destruction and disaster which must come with war.

Therefore we state our unequivocal opposition to all preparations and plans for war. We denounce all those who, by propaganda, by provocation, by armament or conspiracy, are attempting to lead the common people of the world into a new war against their fellow men.

We Believe that there are no human problems, economic or political, which cannot and must not be approached and solved peacefully. We therefore reaffirm our faith in the United Nations Charter,

"To Practice Tolerance, and Live Together in Peace with One Another as Good Neighbours."

And We therefore call upon the Government and people of New Zealand to throw their whole weight Into the implementation of the principles of the United Nations Charter, and to work for the establishment and maintenance of peace and friendship among the peoples of the world.

Hair Splitting

Mr. Curtin got down to the subject. While not very clear to follow, he seemed to be saying that we were not conscious of the danger of war page 2 when we opposed conscription last year, but that we had been told in the first paragraph of the Manifesto that we were conscious of it. This was too much for him to cope with. He felt that we had either changed our minds during that period (or perhaps we hadn't—or something) but he was in general support with the idea of the Manifesto while objecting to specific (did he mean pacific?) points in it.

"It's mostly bosh and twaddle," opined Mr. H. Connor. Again, he was not so clear on just what was bosh and twaddle, though he might have been referring to the world situation or to something he disagreed with which had been said before. He felt that we were in the same situation as in the early 1920s

The two previous speakers had been caught in Mr. Cook's gum, opined Mr. Goddard. There had been too much "crawfishing round the question." he remarked, and he suggested that the meeting get down to putting the motion.

Hair Raising

When is war aggressive? And when is it defensive? These questions puzzled Mr. M. O'Brien, and the meeting, too, He wished to have the Manifesto amended to oppose aggressive war. Miss Martin, however, suggested that the difference was generally one of opinion. She might have pointed out that Hitler's thesis in 1939 was that he was defending Germany from encirclement—a peculiar kind of defensive war? She failed to convince Mr. Weblin, though, Mr. R. McDonald's remarks on the subject were clearer—he noted that many wars which had been supposed to have been aggressive were in fact defending against an economic attack. The distinction could not be drawn with any validity.

And the meeting finally got down to taking Mr, Goddard's sugestion; the amendment (Mr. M. O'Brien's) was put and lost (47 to 61) and the motion for the adoption of the Manifesto was carried.

Home Again

Leaving the world situation, the meeting moved to the electoral system in the association.

Mr. L. Robinson explained the constitutional amendment which he was moving. There was at present too much that was haphazard in the system of voting: a considerable number of voters listed the first two or three (and the last two or three) as they wished them, and then put the others in alphabetical order down the page. He did not think that this showed a healthy state of affairs. A terrific number of man (and woman) hours were spent in counting votes. Mr. Searle, in seconding, was rather too technical for us to understand, but he thought that those who had been consulted on the suggested improvements were in favour of them; they would give substantially the same effect without the draw-backs. "The previous speaker had given us figures to show how many more hours were taken to count this year than last year. Were the women making all this difference?." asked Mr. Evison. He did not know whether this matter of man and woman-hours could be left to the discretion of the scrutineers. Under the existing system, though, no-one has to vote for more than four, and it is quite valid to fill in only the first four names. What was the good of changing the system, then? If it was desired to fill in only the first four, we might as well have a "first past the post" system. He suggested that if people were voting in alphabetical order, then only those whose names came in the first half of the alphabet should be allowed to stand. He deplored "the cussed ignorance of those people who don't know the important people round here." This moved Mr. K, B. O'Brien from the chair (warmed for him in the meantime by Mr. Battersby) to tell the meeting that the present system was "most unsatisfactory." The voting paper is not clearly understandable: the matter of just which preferential voting system we should use should be left to experts. He therefore suggested that a committee could be set up to report on the system and improvements which could be made. Mr. Clayton opposed the motion, but was ruled out of order, and the motion to set up a committee to consider the system was carried.

Co-opting

At present, if more than two Exec, members retire, a third cannot be co-opted, but an election has to be held for that member, and for the two who have already been co-opted. M. I. T. Heath moved the second amendment to the constitution—to change this number to three, and so avoid the necessity for a series of by-elections. Mr. Melting appeared to think that two was a company, but three a crowd, since he opposed it, remarking that three co-opted members, who had not been chosen by members of the association, was too great a proportion of the committee. It was pointed out by Mr. Battersby that the present number (2) was arrived at in the days when the Exec, was smaller than it was now; He did not think, that three was therefore such a large proportion. The motion was carried.

. . .But Not the President

Miss Martin, who moved the next constitutional amendment, explained that it was not the same as the one which had gone before. Her motion was, in effect, to make an election necessary when a president retired within nine months of his election. At present, the vice-president was co-opted if that happened. She did not think that the vice-president should be asked to take over this if he did not wish to, or to face the responsibility of precipitating a by-election himself if he refused office. Moreover, she thought that it was unfair to the college to have someone who was not directly appointed by their votes in a position of such importance. Her exposition was so clear that Mr. Garrett had nothing to do but to second it, while Mr. O'Brien left the chair again.

Unbearable?

He noted that it was impossible to hold elections between October and March. For that time, then, there could be an effective president under this system. "The nine-months period," was arbitrary. "You're in an impregnable position." remarked Mr. Jenkins.) After he had pointed out what he thought could be impracticabilities in the motion. Miss Martin asked his advice, and an amended motion to make the election necessary if the situation arose before the end of the college year was carried.

Off the Record

The meeting then diverted itself with a discussion or Extrav. It was decided that, for archive purposes, each Extrav, should in future be recorded, as was done this year. This would make a permanent record to be of use to future producers and casts. Mr. Treadwell picked up his cue at this, and supported the motion. A suggestion by Mr. Jenkins that one copy be also given to the British Museum was ruled out of order.

On the Table

The cafeteria report was then discussed. The committee set up at the last SGM handed in its report: this opposed subsidising the Caf. and also opposed the idea of letting the contract to an outside firm. Mr. K. B. O'Brien, who ought to know, again left the chair and explained the produce mart system to the meeting, when buying came under discussion. Mr. Cook, for the committee, explained that the system of private contractors would not work here, though it worked in the railway workshops, where there was a far larger turnover (Question from the floor—"Apple?").

The report and recommendations were adopted by 53 votes to 23 (it was getting late by now) and Miss Martin made the very sensible suggestion that a dietary expert should be consulted to get better food, even If we don't get more. This was added to the recommendations.

"That man" Henderson was In agreement, as he said, with Miss Martin for the first time in his life.

Water . . .

A belated constitutional amendment to make water polo players eligible for blues appeared to meet with no objections.

. . .Weir. . .

Inspired by Mr. Jenkins' fervent plea for the suffering at Weir, moved by his and Mr. Cameron's exposition of the plight of the bed-and-break-fasters, and warned by the chairman's remarks, a unanimous motion asking the next Exec, to take an active interest in the situation was carried.

. . . and WFDY Again

Mr. (That man) Henderson wanted to know why sums of money had been paid out to delegates to attend the, forthcoming WFDY Congress. He angrily remarked that this was a gross breach of trust, since at the SGM in April, the Exec, stated that they had made no payment to the person whom he referred to, in a singularly insulting manner, as "that man Smith." Tempers got a little frayed from here on.

He was sure that the disaffiliation motion would have been carried if those present had known that they were going to pay for "that man Smith and that man Scoones." And so he moved "that the meeting deplored the action of the Exec, and refused to ratify the payments."

When Mr. Evison rose to answer, there was so much noise from the right side of the hall that he used the microphone for his speech. He wished to point out—and did so effectively—that the Exec, could not have decided to make any grant before the SGM since it had already decided to pass the matter to the association to consider. But when the SGM had decided to remain affiliated, then there was only one course to take, that which we took with any other body to which we were affiliated—give token grants to delegates to attend. "Is it normal to pay these token grants?" he asked. "Yes, of course." We did this when Mr. O'Brien went to the NUAUS conference in Australia, and we had done it many other times. If we could afford £20 per year to send someone to Australia, then we could afford the small sum it would cost each year to send delegates to these conferences at three-year intervals. Mr. Smith was going, and we should, in normal decency, pay him something towards his expenses.

A fair amount of acrimony was exhibited at this stage. Mr. Battersby supported the payment, though he deplored the affiliation and said so heatedly. Mr. Pottinger supported Mr. Evison with less qualification, and Mr. Piper took exception to the references to "that man Smith" and "that man Scoones." This did not deter "that man Henderson" from using the same terms again when he exercised his right to speak after the closure motion had been carried. However, that motion was lost (no division), and from there on the meeting was less interested. Mr. W. McLeod (note the name) moved that the association be represented in those who were opposing the rise mooted in tram fare costs, and this was to be acted upon. A question was asked as to whether the Exec, would study Zoo meat being used in the Caf.; and Mr. Garrett moved that, as a practical measure to get over the present very grave danger to students at the Salamanca Rd. bend, the Exec, members institute a roster system to have a school traffic patrol there, and that a supply of white coats and stop signals be purchased for the purpose. Unfortunately, both this and the traditional brass spittoons were ruled out of order.

The new Exec, announced after Mr. O'Brien had been given both literal and figurative bouquets for his work, is as follows:—
  • President: K. B. O'Brien.
  • Vice-Presidents: I. T. Heath, A. Pearce.
  • Secretary: W. Hume.
  • Men's Committee: V. Henderson, L. B. Piper. C, Pottinger, L. Robinson.
  • Women's Committee: A. Cook, B. Holm, J. Murray, J. Scott.