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Salient. Victoria University Students' Newspaper. Volume 39, Number 23. September 20, 1976

Suppressing Farts

page 7

Suppressing Farts

pol sci

Report and Comment on the Pols Departmental Meeting Held Last Wednesday

Last week's Political Science staff meeting was primarily concerned with the appointment of the new lecturer and the chairman's report on the matter. It was orginally intended to have full student representation at the meeting, but after consultation with the chairman (Dr Vasil) it was realised that nothing of value could be done by students to influence the choice of appointment, so a token gesture in the form of yours truly turned up.

Of the appointment, so little was said that I came away with the feeling that the meeting had been used as some form of rubber stamp. No recommendations were made, the meeting was not asked to discuss or recommend any candidate or particular characteristics of those chosen by the chairman and those he consulted (though there is apparently departmental procedure for this to be done). All that was said was that there were over 65 applicants, which was reduced to 17 'suitable' applicants, which was further cut down to a short of 8 'recommended' applicants (by the chairman and the executive) with a preference expressed for one.

Of that applicant, all is known is that he has teaching experience, high qualifications and fulfills the requirements laid down in the advertisement (comparitive politics, Western Europe).

What was important in the melee that followed was a feeling expressed that there was room for more discussion pertaining to appointment (within the boundaries of confidentiality placed upon the chairman by university regulations) than Doctor Vasil had allowed.

I see three areas that are of direct relevance to students —
1.

Qualifications & teaching experience

The ability of any lecturer to relate directly to his students, individually and collectively, is of crucial importance to a students understanding of any course approach. While no doubt the staff members involved in the selection process are acutely aware of this, they must rely upon their own prejudices when making decisions in this area.

2.

Interests and approach to field

While we have some knowledge as to the field (Comparitive / Western Europe) the orientations within such broad parameters are many indeed and could focus upon any form of analysis. Students need to know something about these orientations before they can possibly agree to base their understanding of politics around them.

3.

How the appointment will fit into the VUW Pols department

How the department intends to use the lecturer is of crucial importance. All that is known is that this new lecturer will participate in the restructured stage 1 course next year - seems like the department is looking for another 'Saviour' for its inadequate Stage I presentation.

Apart from the appointment - several disturbing factors emerged from the meeting:

— The position of the Pols Sci Soc is heavily compromised by clauses which exlude its three votes from matters involving appointments (looks like we dipped out anyhow), Staff matters' & financial matters - so the question remains - What can we do?

— The majority of staff (all but the 3 female members of staff) have not undertaken any teaching 'refresher courses' such as those undertaken by Prof Clifts teaching research centre and have no intention to do so.

Pols Sci - Putting students in the right perspective

Pols Sci - Putting students in the right perspective

— The staff regards individual student opinions as lacking any credibility or integrity, especially in terms of their lack of 'experience' in Pols. I must point out to the department that if their ideas and approaches fail to hold water with students whose understanding of Pols is limited to undergraduate courses, one may regard their basic approach having limited credibility in itself.

Drs' Steven Levine and Margaret Clark were particularly volatile in their inquisitions and while their point: that individual students do not represent the mass; may be valid, such opinions may not be dismissed out of hand as they would have it done.

Dr Levine raised the point that students (and student newspapers) never say anything 'positive' about their courses and lecturers - so if you are happy with your lot - give them a pat on the head, maybe it will help them respond to criticism a little better.

There was one - only one - positive indication that students (and the Pols SCI Soc) may be treated with a bit more respect when the feeling was expressed that it may be a good thing to have a student rep. on the departmental executive - although this is obviously not the opinion of the chairman, Dr Vasil.

In a response to the request that the staff participate in debate accessable to more students (through Salient, etc), the answer remains no - with the excuse that it may harm the development of further rapport -I tend to disagree.

Any issue will not become apparent until there is an argument and a response so this refusal seems to me to be an irresponsible attempt to cloud the fact that alternatives exist.

After emerging battered and severely wounded from the meeting, I came to the conclusion that the only way students any students are to be taken seriously is to bring in large enough numbers to enforce any demands they may make. So maybe next year we can do something But thats what they said last year!

But next year will ge different - won't it?

So until it is better folks, it may be best to always go to the Pols department in groups - and carry a big stick.

- Neil Gray

Pols Sci Soc

This is a report of last weeks non-meeting workshop held to organise a course assessment program. Basically it was hoped to get together enough interested people to conduct a brief commentary on all this years Pols courses. The meeting attracted six people - not the masses hoped for, but at least its a start.

However, because of the lack of number available to assist it has been decided to restrict activities for the rest of the year to individual contributions (to Salient or to the Pols Sci Soc) which will be used as the basis for the Pols segment of Handbook.

To facilitate discussion, each undergraduate stage has a coordinator: They are
  • Stage 1 Bob Drummond - Weir House
  • Stage 2 Neil Gray Ph 728-138
  • Stage 3 Peter McKinlay & Barbara McKelwee Honours etc: Gyles Beckford - Studass

So if you've got something to say about Pols courses, staff, or the department in general - have a talk to these people or drop a line to John Ryall at Salient.

It is important, if students are to be seriously regarded as a real part of the Pols department, that they participate in the department. Remember - the reputation of the Pols department rests upon what it does for its students.

p.s. boquets and broken bottle type comments all welcome.

English

The English Club

For all thsoe who haven't heard the news, the English Club has been transformed into a staff/student committee.

Representatives were called from each tutorial of all the English Literature courses being held at the moment, and three reasonably successful meetings were held.

At each meeting it was decided that the representatives would be back to their tuts and ask for criticism, comments and proposals for change in courses. After all, students reaction is the only test of success of a course.

We discussed the problems of an unrealistic workload, and the examing of 1st ½ year courses. Unfortunatley there are no simple answers, but that doesn't mean the problem should be ignored. And we should be especially careful that 'solutions' don't simply camoflague the problem. For example we could have more tuts to cope with the reading list, but just adds to the problem as the workload is further increased and even less time is allocated to reading.

Positive changes discussed were the possibility of a questionnaire assessing lecturers and different forms of exams such as open-book (if open-book exams were adopted some training should be given in how to use them) and take-home exams. I think take-home exams particularly deserve a lot of consideration.

With students enthusiasm the English Club is seen as a continuing body that will provide a focus for such discussion of practical alternatives to problems faced by lecturers and students. An equally important function will be a social centre for the English Department.

It was felt much more stress should be laid on the creative work that many people are doing, and the club could be a centre for this.

sociology

Political Scientist Comments on Sosc

Dear John,

I see that Professor Hill wishes to keep the Sosc debate out of the colunns of Salient on the somwhat specious grounds that your gentle ministrations might short-circuit communications.

If you appear in his nightmares as a latter-day Luddites bent on destroying his departmental machinery then I guess he deserves our sympathies - and perhaps even a shoulder to cry on.

But even as he weeps we must also point out the error of his ways. Scoiology is not his property alone, nor that of his department even when it is taken as including all his students.

Rather, it is the concern of the whole university community. This for two reasons ate least. First, the content of Sociology courses and the manner in which they are taught is of concern not only to those currently being processed by the department, but to all students who are thinking of taking a Sosc course.

They cannot be part of the departmental dialogue but have a real and vital interest in it. Professor Hill and his department, if they have any sense of the responsibility the university owes its student body are bound to acknowledge that the Sosc debate must take place in the hearing of potential, as well as actual, students.

The second reason is more important. Sociology, as one of the social sciences, deals in the very stuff of human existence. In amongst the horde of credit seeking meal ticketeers are a few students who are taking Sosc courses because of genuine social concern. They are social science students, because they want to gain some understanding of how man as a social animal ticks. They want to develop their powers of socia a their powers of social analysis, to discuss why some people remain rich while others are poor, some have two houses while others have none and so on.

Not all such students are Sosc majors some, for example, are in Pols. We ahre a common concern; that the quality of teaching and the content of courses will build on our interest, and enthuse others who are there just for the ride so that there may be some real possiblity of investigating radical alternatives to the conservative mess that is New Zealand in the 70s.

It is of vital importance to me and to every other student who has any doubts about 'New Zealand the way you want it' that Sosc courses inspire their students and given them the skills required for effective analysis.

Professor Hill's claim that he is entitled to bury this issue in a departmental morass is a claim that only he and his chosen few have any interest in the future of New Zealand society - the view should be treated with the contempt it deserves; the professor, I hope, deserves better.

Man wearing suit with a badge reading 'win' next to a student wearing a badge reading 'lose'

Yours from the Pols side of the fence,

Peter McKinlay

(I think- typesetter).