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Salient. An Organ of Student Opinion at Victoria College, Wellington, N.Z. Vol. 1, No. 16 July 20, 1938

Socialism Debated — Disappointing Meeting

Socialism Debated

Disappointing Meeting

Last Friday's debate, "That Socialism provides genuine hope for the future of Civilisation," was disappointing, Neither side did justice to its cause, and the house was the smallest this year. Inadequate advertisement and the late choice of subject and speakers combined with the imminence of examinations. Probably explain the lapse. Even an impartial observer would have seen that the speeches for the negative revealed a profound ignorance of what Socialism means. One speaker said it meant the "complete abolition of private property": another said that in a Socialist world economic imperialism would still remain, Now one of the functions of a debate is to widen knowledge and "Salient" would be the last to suggest that honestly ignorant people should not speak: but at the risk of seeming biassed one would like to urge that the subject's importance deserves at least a little study, You can't argue effectively against Socialism if you don't know what it means.

"The is not a static world," said Mr. Perry, leader of the affirmative, Change would come whatever man did to prevent it, and attempts to maintain the status quo could only result in the collapse of civilisation, The chief obstancle to progress was tradition based on the economic systems of the past. Our own civillisation like those of the past, was based on a society [unclear: divided] into owners and labourers Unless we abolished the foundation of that tradition, our civilisation would collapse as did the others.

He quoted figures to illustrate the failure of capitalism to distribute wealth in the interests of the whole population. Socialism did not mean that a man could not own his house. Or buy his own food and amusements. Public ownership of the means of production would enable society to organise for current needs and substitute planning for tradition.

Greed as Incentive.

"It is frequently stated that Socialism is fine in theory but will not work in practice, because there is no incentive for people to work. Presumably the only possible incentive is to become a little capitalist. What a striking admission of degeneracy. If personal profit is the only incentive! But there is no justification for saying Socialism means equal wages. Marx and Engels said wealth should be distributed according to the social value of work done and Lenin and Stain practised that policy, Under Socialism. The head worker will raise not only his own standard but that of humanity generally.

"Socialism." concluded Mr. Perry, "officers the means of mankind, for the first time a real incentive to work it will free the resources of the world and of the mind give society a chance to plan and an ability to create as never before, and accord to everybody those things in life that reality matter."

The Opposition Agrees.

No one was more [unclear: vehement"] than Mr. K. Braybrooke in denouncing present day capitalism. His opposition to the motion completed in a denial that Socialism could get us on of the mess. "Captialism." he said "has developed complicated systems of trade and finance too complicated to be handled be the capitalism themselves Capitalism has produced a vast technocracy itself has brought greater problems. Our muddling with difficulties only producer more chase."

The people elected under Socialism would be those least filled to control the economic forces. Capitalism had by a process of trial and error, seeded out the men who could keep it going however imperfectly.

Is This Facism?

"If civilisation is to be saved we must subordinate ourselves completely to [gap — reason: illegible][unclear: aning:] and we must not expert to choose our leaders," said Mr Braybrooke Sensitive people in the audience turned pale, but [unclear: relenthessly] spoke on the voice of doom.

"Society is faced with an increasing number of unskilled labourers whom it can never hope to use Socialism has no solution for this problem: and, indeed there is only one solution—they must be liquidated!"

Sighs of relief were beard when the gloomy prophet went on to say he had nothing constructive to suggest He opposed Socialism, in brief, because if could not produce the right men for the huge task of controlling production, and because it could not deal with problem of unskilled labour.

Kulturbolschewismuss.

"Even under capitalism." said Mr. Meek. "the majority of educational facilities are controlled by the State Under Socialism. This control could be carried a great deal further to produce a better educated community.

"We are proud of our British culture, but what does it mean to the masses? To them, it can offer nothing. But without the support of society. Culture cannot progress, because are and society are [unclear: inextricably] linked."

Science and capitalism had developed together, but now each discovery page with the problems outweighing its advantages. Only in a Socialist state could social organisation keep pace with the problems outweighing its advantages. Only in a Socialist state could social organisation keep pace with the problems [unclear: science] created.

"The literary diet of the masses to-day comprises solely newspapers and puts magazines Powerful interests are making profits by debasing our intellect and emotions How can we stimulate first class [unclear: litraing] Only by creating a popular raise for the best in that everyone can enjoy it only by Socialism," Mr. Meek concluded.

[unclear: Mcjoshua.]

Mr. McCulluch always impresses us, but on Friday be wrought wonders During a burst of stirring [unclear: oratory,] we heard a crash and a wail seemed rent open, as certain pictures shot mad's from their spheres and in a cloud of duel and broken class nearly crippled a Communist Mr. McCulloch went or, to talk about the loss of individuals [unclear: inevitable] under Socialism. But we were too awed to listen.

Shake

Mr. [unclear: Banam] quoted from Marx and the Pope bishop the agreement on the miquity of capitalsism Beth held that the mases had us private property, but the [unclear: picture] on the solution of the problem Marx. Said Mr Barnao, promised the complete abolition of private property, while the Pope believed in redistribution.

Defending the U.S.S.R. Mr. McDonald challenged the audience to name one present who had been liquidated. Quoting cases from India and Trinidad, He showed that Britain, too, was quite capable of "purses."

Analysis.

Mr. J. P. Freeman [unclear: claimed] that opposition to the motion was based on an inaccurate analysis of the social situation Speakers had adopted the traditional explanations and had taken the traditional attitude to change, The argument "it won't work." had been used when it was proposed to liberate the sorts. Capitalism had been a slight progression from feudalism and in each case people had said "it won't work." Now when Socialism proposed a further advance, the old opposition was met; Socialism merely implied the sane use of human capabilities.

The motion was carried. And the judge Mr. Powles placed Mr. Braybrooke first. Mr. Freeman second, and Mr. Perry third

—H.W.G.